Mark Cirillo, Joe Vaught and Eric Lingenfelder, owners of PB, True North, and the West Coast (formerly Hawthornes)
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Mark Cirillo, Joe Vaught and Eric Lingenfelder, owners of PB, True North, and the West Coast (formerly Hawthornes)
Fantastic. I gotta get you some flyers for the KEEP PB OUT OF NORTH PARK.
So you’re putting up the flyer, huh? Good for you.
I see a lot of downtown loft-lover assholes there too.
most of the people who hang out in northpark used to be douchebag pb and san diego state kids to begin with… then they wanted to start banging chicks with tattoos so they started listening to the smiths and hanging out at the livewire. and for the last few years hawthornes was costing more to run than it was bringing in and not enough of the local northparkers, who claim to care so much about it, ever went there or supported events they held and rose had to sell it. when the new owners took it over and made it into a gay bar they couldnt maintain a consistant clientele so they had to sell it off too. maybe if northparkers cared about local spots so much they should do more to support them, instead of complaining when people come in and can turn it into a successful establishment by appealing to people that will actually come out and pay money to hang out there.
go fuck yourself you douchebag cunt
My favorite is the background check you have to pass to get in the door at True North. I’m pretty sure they do a credit check too.
listening to the smiths never helped anyone “bang chicks”
Hey get over it…
Hawthornes on Fifth (you know, when it was on Fifth and Hawthorne), was a reasonably priced, unique restaurant that gave shares of itself to its employees. Pretty much the best setup you can have. I don’t know what precipitated the move to the theater, other than Bud Fisher (developer of NP theater that is a total CEO douche real estate mogul that got rich in the gaslamp revival).
They moved to NP Theater, and couldn’t cover the extravagant rent. The real problem is all the Bud Fishers and speculative buyers that drove commercial space prices sky high in North Park. They still are.
You point sucks anyways, because this site exists to make fun of you.
Funny how some people think the true measure of success is financial gain.
Oh and go fuck yourself Get Over It-douche.
i fucking hate true north as a bar and most everyone that goes in there. and the true measure of success isnt financial gain… but to keep a place going there has to be revenue to support it. if you dont like the bar dont go to it. go kick it at bluefoot or pink or whistle stop or soda bar… which are all superior alternatives anyways.
Yeah, we go to those places, douchenozzle. on your next roided out jaunt to True North, look around. any assymetrical haircuts? nope? skinny jeans? uh uh. people discussing the latest pitchfork approved band? not unless that band is 311 or Hoobastank. The douchery is invading the streets as a result of the bars. also, ive been made aware that these dens of douchery actually transport their fucktard assclowns from PB via party bus. PARTY BUS! This neighborhhod used to smell like vomit and joblessness. Now it smells like Axe body spray. Ay dios mio! also, when we walk back to our cars, we get bombarded by guido asshats who say demeaning, nasty shit and skanks making out with each other. never thought id say this, but i miss the days when i could walk out of bar pink and have people silently judge my outfit and level of kewlness. so, in conclusion, eat my balls.
Lets protest! We could make signs like “GOD HATES DOUCHEBAGS!” and show up outside these places and call out the PB crowd! Maybe we will make it on the news.
PS. God really DOES hate douchebags. I checked.
so you dont like true north because noone there wears skinny jeans, have assymetrical haircuts or like approved bands from pitchfork and bros say nasty things to you when you walk by. kill yourself.
i would be the first one holding a sign in front of true north along with you… the only problem is that every other guy in northpark is built like a 14 year old girl and everyone would get their ass beat.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/douchebags-classified-by-region
Hipster douche, bro douche, its all the same. Its just different ends of the douche spectrum. If you don’t like North Park anymore, move.
I like True North, I go there about once a week! Mainly Fridays or Saturdays when It’s poppin! It’s awesome the gentrification it has for North Park. I used to go to the camera store two doors down when I was at SDSU. All The dudes in my frat were scared to go but now we go over there every weekend. I even got a fixed rider bike! To bad you dudes don’t get any more play from the tatted chicks. They love it when my boys have our leathers and tapout shirts and way trendy Brixton hats on. Maybe if YOU DOUCHEBAGS could afford my style you could pull, BRO! It’s 2009, go somewhere like El Cajon or something. Were taking over everything cool, so get over it! And if I see any more of those stupid flyers by The Jerks, Ill piss on em right there and and then go back into True North and pull more tail! See the rest of you at Pinback at the Casbah, I just downloaded their new shit on Itunes its sick!
How many of you grew-up in North Park?
I did. I’ve seen it go through quite and evolution in the past 29 years.
And guess what, most of the cooler-than-thou North Park scensters that are bagging on the results of the neighborhoods gentrification are transplants well! They were just the first part of it’s demographic change. This latest trend is the next phase that was mostly brought on by the inflated housing market that pushed out lower income people from the area.
This is an issue that extends far beyond just some douches from PB coming over to North Park to party. But what you also don’t get is that underground hipsters are a part of the gentrification swing. So you are all connected! Stop acting like North park belongs to you and has to forever stay solidified in the idea you had of it back in 2000! You are not the bastions of cool, and I am sick of this stupid fake culture war.
True North provides a public service.
Every awful d-bag who would normally be haunting one of the neighborhood’s good bars is attracted to True North, and its existence has made all of the other bars in the neighborhood better. Think of it like a Roach Motel: douches check in, but they don’t check out…
I was born in University hospital and the war is on!!! Fuck The Jerks!!! Those Intolerant bastards can rot!!!
and by the way ‘get over it’ I fully agree with not going to these establishments. I do believe in letting people do as they will as long as its not hurting anyone. What got me pissed was when I witnessed a bunch of True North jocks making fun of two men for being gay. This was the first time (exept for being called a fag numerous times while walking down the street ) that I had witnessed this bigotry at any bar in North Park.
I have no problem standing side by side with you and I have no problem taking some True North teeth with me. We aren’t all built like 14 year old girls around here, Oh god! Is this considered blogging?? Fuck i’m a dork!!!
Wow, you people are dumb. I am not a “scenester”, “hipster”, or “bro”. The reason I dont like these establishments is because the people who go there are the same dumb asses that show up only after word gets out that this is the new “happening” place and then all of a sudden the scene changes to one of rude, obnoxious twats and cocks with attitude. Emphasis on the ATTITUDE.
Its not about who is the ultra coolest. Its about the people who are TRYING TO BE ULTRA COOLEST showing up and ruining it for the rest of us.
Oh, and to “THE JERKS” : If I ever catch any of those jocks saying such things about the gays, I will call them out. As you should have! In fact, I would’ve called up one of my gay friends and had them make out with me in front of them. Fuck homophobes.
agreed. hating on people for being gay is weak.
LOLZ people arguing on the interwebz.
“This neighborhhod used to smell like vomit and joblessness. Now it smells like Axe body spray.”
A+ desciption. I miss Scolaris.
Don’t worry those homophobes got theirs. I’m not a hands in my pockets kind of guy.
Wow, this website funny and this argument is kinda funny too. I guess at the least everyone is getting there feelings out here… and isn’t that what the internet is for, expressing yourself?
I could really care less about the types of people who go to bars that I don’t go to. I might be wrong but I think a majority of the people that probably frequent True North aren’t all that bad we just don’t have anything in common and thats okay, it’s what happens in a urban environment. But if the idiots among them (and on weekend nights it seems like this IS most of them) are being bigots and narcissistic assholes then fuck yeah send those Chad’s and Trixie’s to Tool School. And if they talk shit then fuck ‘em. But I’m not going to go out to Pink any less than I would normally because of the crowds attracted to True North, The Office, U31, etc…
They’ll be good nights and bad nights any everything else in between but it does look like for the near future we’re all going to have to deal with these, “new” people more and more frequently. The Soda Bar is pretty P.B. free and North Parker friendly so why don’t ya’ll come down there tomorrow(Halloween) from 5-9pm and say hi cuz I’ll be playing what I like to call CRAPPY HOUR, it’s the best of the worst music and a lot more. Wierdos, nerds, punkers, mods, rockers and everyone in between are wellcome!
Frosted tips haters unite!
This could have been a funny site a la “Look at this fucking hipster”, but instead is a handful of unremarkable pics accompanied by snarky, but not clever captions. Get someone with a sense of humor to run this site.
thank you this site sucks!!!
Such a dissappointment
i support anything the wizard says.
whoa, this site kicks ass!
You have got to be kidding me.
I agree with Drea 100%.
Up the NP Punx! RIP Scolaris
San Diego is a fucking waste of time, any way you look at it. No real culture, bullshit “art” scene, millions of white surfer “Im just a regular, laid-back dude!” types who are mostly Christians and all wants kids/family/condos/nice couch pillows. Don’t blame North Park or PB or Downtown or any other fucking area. Most people who are out of college and want something real and diverse out of a city, move to a real goddamn city. San Diego is a fucking sun-drenched joke of a small town. Great weather, man! Burritos! yay!
gentrification is an ugly thing. the people who taking the worst of it are the working class families being pushed out of the neighborhood, not people lamenting the fall of scolari’s.
So is this where you Punk Board rejects are hanging out now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tqEBQjWRws&feature=popt00us0e
wow Anon, have you thought about moving to Seattle? your shitty attitude will go a long way there.
-that was for “anon” and not “Anonymous” sorry.
It’s the same everywhere, there’s nice people and there’s assholes. End of story. I’ve run into some pretty rude / shit for brains / under cover bros dressed up at bar pink wearing V neck shirts and riding fixed gears while discussing which bitch they’re trying to rail and trying to score coke off of anyone in the vicinity. The douches will never stop spreading, all you can do is stay clear. Pretentious indie fake-poor jaded scum douche or mind fucked shit faced homophobe party bus douche……… What’s the difference?
What a disappointment this site is. Guess what, when Bar Pink, U31 and the Office, or as I like to refer to it, the Triangle of Misery was only filled with hipsters, it still fucking sucked. Man my hometown is deteriorating, anyone with anything to contribute seems to leave
let’s face it, NP sucks, SD sucks, we all suck. zero culture. lazy hipsters who once they hit 30 will actually get a clue as to how dumb they are. ooo i hang at leftys pizza, it’s soo good that i can’t crap for 10 days. thanks. oh btw i love the linkery and am trying to grow a sic moustache to fit in oh yeah. ooo cask beer, oh wait 8bucks plus 18% tip, hmm i might need my mommy to help because i can’t sell my shitty artwork or play in a less than asssucking band whos songs are 30 seconds long. hmm hey lets go to the beauty bar and do some coke oh yeah.
Thought i’d give the new place a fair shake before ripping it a part. Wow, True North is to undergrad as West Coast is to grad school (and guessing by the clientele- worthless State MBAs so they can get into middle management in HR at Qualcomm). Sooo much potential to be cool, such corporate douchery filled with douchie patrons
you all need to go get a reality check if you think that true north is really a TRUE NORTH PARK ESTABLISHMENT. you and al your slutty ass hussies with pencil thin heels and fat thighs need to get out. you’ve disrupted all the neighborhoods and it’s funny because EVERYONE within the vicinity that is either a homeowner or a renter hates you all. you’re not wanted and we hope you know. U-31 blows as well. walking by there you guys won’t shut the fuck up and your baseball games and long ass lines are uncool as well. how about you all keep your mouths and legs closed and stop reproducing these fucking loud ass thicknecked violent drunks.
oh and again, if all our bars suck then get the fuck out of north park dumbasses. OH GOD BRAIN BLAST!!!! why don’t you all go back to your regular pb douchery pubs like the tavern or go to mission beach where you can get fucked up and pass out at belmont park.
if everyone here submitted a picture of themselves, this site would actually have some good content
What defines a douchebag?
@ GETOVERYOURSELVES-
What the fuck are you doing on this site- go back and enjoy your chardonnay.
ALSO: I LOVE THIS SITE!!!
CatDirt approves! The Internet is saved!
Stumbled onto this site looking for a police report. Anyway, if you want to read a firsthand account by a long-time north park resident who has to deal with this bullshit every night. peace.
http://www.truenorthproblem.blogspot.com/
Hahahaha! Anyone who refers to Bar Pink as pre-gentrification/doucheification of North Park is hilarious.
Also, if you consider haircuts and trends when deciding where to/with whom to hang out, you are a douchebag, my friend.
i love how everyone on this site says san diego sucks and has no culture and that they would rather live in a real city… usually meaning seattle, portland, or new york. its not like any of these places have any real culture that isnt stolen from somewhere else either… were not talking about like rome or paris. right now in san diego we have a pretty solid are scene for a small community of artists, there are still a lot of bars that are cool, and we have a great music scene. i dont know if anyone knows this… but in every city all over america… there are bands that sound exactly like every other band in every other city in america.
but as far as culture in san diego goes, i love it. almost every night i can go to a show with a good local band in my neighborhood at a cool bar where there are always friendly people. our beer culture here is amazing; 30th street is known now at “the nations best beer boulevard” because of the amount of good bars selling good local micro brews and not just coors and stella. there are over 25 micro breweries in san diego alone. we get great surf and have some of the nicest beaches in california. we have some great skate spots that have been featured in skate videos since the beginning of time.
so to say we dont have culture is crazy. if you dont like it maybe you just need to get over the fact that you arent doing more with it.
i moved here from LA 5 years ago and i think this town is so much better than LA. i like the surf there better and they might have a better punk scene. but san diego, and more specifically northpark, is a community, and i like that. if youre from SD and think you have to deal with douchebag transplants here… you dont know shit. imagine with every new season of television getting new neighbors who think they are exactly like the guys from entourage and their crew is going to make it big… over and over again.
other cities like LA NY portland and seattle are way worse than SD because they are filled with a bunch of hispsters who hate their lives and thought moving there would make everything better because they didnt realize that they suck and their city isnt going to change that. thats why portland is ranked americas #1 most unhappy city every fucking year with suicide rates that are insane… because it fucking sucks.
Thank you,
very interesting article
Nicely article
“anon says:
November 2, 2009 at 9:20 am
San Diego is a fucking waste of time, any way you look at it. No real culture, bullshit “art” scene, millions of white surfer “Im just a regular, laid-back dude!” types who are mostly Christians and all wants kids/family/condos/nice couch pillows. Don’t blame North Park or PB or Downtown or any other fucking area. Most people who are out of college and want something real and diverse out of a city, move to a real goddamn city. San Diego is a fucking sun-drenched joke of a small town. Great weather, man! Burritos! yay!”
I couldn’t have said it better myself…SD wants to be L.A., and L.A. wants to be NY…that’s why I’m moving back NY.
…and as for “get over it”, you’re a douche (and probably a junior alcoholic) for knowing how many bars and beers there are on 30th as well as the amount of micro-breweries…just a hipster instead of a bro. GET OUT OF THE BARS AND GET A LIFE!!! That goes for all of you, and if you’re not satisfied with some situation in your life, then make a fucking change instead of just bitching about it.
This is great! InkedProphet is such a renegade…I’ll bet his has a “question authority” bumper sticker on his Volvo. Let’s see, he doesn’t like surfers or sunshine or Christians. He slams SD for a lack of culture…but apparently his definition of culture is tatts and hanging in bars. I like bars and skin ink, especially on women, just as I have for FIFTY YEARS OR SO. Prophet, old friend, if you really think you’re ahead of the curve…hmmm. You’re such a revolutionary…I dunno what to tell you.
The point here is that bar owners push their own brand of crap on neighborhoods, and turn them into cesspools. Yeah, like PB.
He also doesn’t understand that this website is part of the movement to get the douchebags out of North Park. The people involved ARE making a change; he’s just too dull to understand it. Nor does he GET that nobody wants to live in a neighborhood where there are so many bars. IP, the next time you drive through a really scummy neighborhood, and can’t wait to get back on the freeway to get the hell outta there…do a little critical thinking. Ask yourself one question:
How do I know this is a scummy neighborhood?
The answer is that there’s a bar or liquor store on every corner. It’s urban blight, it stifles any “culture,” no matter how you define the latter. Don’t get me wrong, I loves me some beer and some socializing, especially in a neighborhood dive. It’s not about the beer, it’s about the outlet density. Still don’t get it? Google “outlet density crime” and get educated.
Final point, Inky….SD wants to be LA? Ummm, no we don’t. The fact that you started out slamming SD for NOT being LA…then accuse of of wanting to be LA would be funny…except you didn’t mean it as a joke. So it’s really just a sad commentary on your own powers of observation.
get over it: I’m glad you understand the difference between SD and the other cities often cited as cultural meccas. As for this bit…..”so you dont like true north because noone there wears skinny jeans, have assymetrical haircuts or like approved bands from pitchfork and bros say nasty things to you when you walk by. kill yourself.” …the piece you were quoting was meant to be satirical. Using a passe form of douchebaggery to highlight the devolution that’s going on.
Your comment: “…the true measure of success isnt financial gain… but to keep a place going there has to be revenue to support it.” There IS enough revenue to keep smaller places going. But why work so hard for the money, when you can sell you liquor license to a douchebag who will pay a TON of money for it. Why does a Lingendouche type want to move into your neighborhood? Because he can create a douchebag bar, and draw douchebags from all over the county, and make way more money than the previous owner.
But don’t take my word for it. Look at PB. The biggest, busiest bar (oops, excuse me, I meant “bar and grill”) in PB…the biggest DUI- and douche factory on the planet, used to be a great Mexican restaurant. And, sticking with the PB theme…remember Margarita Rocks? A living, breathing, rotting, stinking open casting call for extras “Cocktail.” It finally went away, and in its place, PB got Bar West. Ever been in there? Yeah, Bar West is gentrified….like Tom Hanks’ tooth was “gentrified” in “Cast Away.”
axe body spray smells pretty good though! and when its on sale, its cheaper than all that other nasty ass cologne business. and the chicks love it… nah, im kidding about that part.